V6'ing My Cabby

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Work fully started dinnertime today Friday 13th Jan 06

Nice date for me to get on with it lol

Anyways will be trying to keep a picture diary and posts etc to maybe help myself (help Q's etc) and hopefully to help any others who want to do a Mk2 V6 conversion

Took some pics as car was, Will keep this updated etc as i progress

Bear with me i sorting pics ;)

OK, The car as she was before i started stripping the engine out
You can notice the rust damage to hood frame etc in some pics

The colour is i guess champion burgundy but camera with the flash throws it out as a more bronze colour

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[mking]

good luck mate, hope everything goes to plan! alot of swearing involved i imagine!

[Defiance]

Hiya,
Swearings already started and that's just trying to sort the pics lmao

Ciao

Def

[GazJevs84]

pmsl but good luck mate hope it all goes to plan for you

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Pics as i had to leave it

(sister leaving my bro-in-law so all hell's bust loose)

Will get stuck into it when things calm down :(

Ciao

Def

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No pics to update but getting back doing it monday :)

Ciao

Def

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Last year i had to replace cv boots on the valver ...
Got a plier circlip remover
Ended up taking outer shaft ends from other cv's as wishbones/suspension was being sorted at the sametime

Now for the life off me (bear in mind it was nice n sunny and i had no cv grease ! to worry me or hinder my vission) i can't remember on the outer shaft to cv's do i compress the circlip or do i open it ?

I was sure it was compress the make it smaller thus allowing the shaft to come lose from cv

Am i right ???

Spent most of this afternoon trying to get shafts out to drop damn 8v (weeks been messed up with family/ordering let parts/usual stuff going wrong lol)

Cheers

Ciao

Thanks

Def

ohh posting more pics up tomorrow :)

[astramad]

hi mate you open them up
dont worry everyone has days like that lol

[Defiance]

Hiya,
HE HE

I gotta get my mind right boss (said in paul newman accent (Coolhand Luke))

Ya know 1st attempt on valver was 2mins with a 99p pair of removers, Spent 9 quid on halfords set and other side was like 10secs lol

Man i miss having sisters drive to mess about on, Stuck in a damn garage that's right at the end of the cul-de-sac, Garage is dark damp bitterly cold and no damn power in it grrrrrrrrr

Cheers mate :)

Ohh while i'm here :D .........
Got equal driveshafts with 25xe ........................

The CV ends are on both v6 shafts i mean, So is it just a case of getting them slid n tabbed into a spare F20 (got light f20 fly and new clutch kit for it also, Was going on valver but wanna do this cabby nice from the off)

Hope it makes sense

I suffering from premature fatigue brought on by messing with fiddly greasy cv's while watching fingers turn blue with cold lol

Cheers Again Mate

Ciao

Def

[astramad]

hi m8 all i done on mine was use the valver shafts and joints and mines fine all you need to do is remove the balance weight on the o/s shaft
i know the v6 outer joints will fit the valver shafts so it would do no harm to change them
on my last v6 i had to change the outer joints cos they where clicking but i put that down to 130,000 miles with a valver and 20,000 miles under v6 power

[Defiance]

Hiya mate,
Cheers for info

I'm calling it a night so i will be fresh to do battle in the morning lmao

Thanks Again

Ciao

Def

[astramad]

thats ok mate if you need anymore help or anything just pm me and i will pm my number ta mate

[Mark T]

Hiya,
HE HE

I gotta get my mind right boss (said in paul newman accent (Coolhand Luke))

Ya know 1st attempt on valver was 2mins with a 99p pair of removers, Spent 9 quid on halfords set and other side was like 10secs lol

Man i miss having sisters drive to mess about on, Stuck in a damn garage that's right at the end of the cul-de-sac, Garage is dark damp bitterly cold and no damn power in it grrrrrrrrr

Cheers mate :)

Ohh while i'm here :D .........
Got equal driveshafts with 25xe ........................

The CV ends are on both v6 shafts i mean, So is it just a case of getting them slid n tabbed into a spare F20 (got light f20 fly and new clutch kit for it also, Was going on valver but wanna do this cabby nice from the off)

Hope it makes sense

I suffering from premature fatigue brought on by messing with fiddly greasy cv's while watching fingers turn blue with cold lol

Cheers Again Mate

Ciao

Def


the V6 Shafts will go straight on the V6 + F20, but you'll need a spacer for the mounting bracket.
....

http://82.34.50.33/sytemsandsoftwaredevelopment/systems/automotive/How_to/Cavalier3/ReplaceF25WithF20.htm

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Will do astramad Many Thanks :)

Mark T , Will have a spacer off you in a few weeks.........

A: Fairly skinted at the moment
B: If i had it now i would only skimp on prepping the bay
C: Was going to get one fabbed (my lathes pcb board blew ages ago) from an old guy i know but why measure etc and have to wait when you've got the job jobbed :)

Cheers Guys

Have Fun

Def

[Mark T]

Hiya's,
Will do astramad Many Thanks :)

Mark T , Will have a spacer off you in a few weeks.........

A: Fairly skinted at the moment
B: If i had it now i would only skimp on prepping the bay
C: Was going to get one fabbed (my lathes pcb board blew ages ago) from an old guy i know but why measure etc and have to wait when you've got the job jobbed :)

Cheers Guys

Have Fun

Def

I've got an autocad drawing if you want to get one made up yourself.

I only had 10 made, as they were 1/2 the unit price of getting a single one done.

Down to 3 spares now

Mark.

[Defiance]

Hiya Mark T,
Why mess when you've got one ;)

Will you save one please and i will pm n send cheque etc a week this monday (a week tomorrow)

Gives me time to remove all pas etc and get bay minty etc and brings me up to payday

Many Thanks

Cheers

Def

[Mark T]

yeah no problems.

I've not been plugging them, just sell one now and then.

[appytiser]

is that a spacer for the equal lengh shaft mount ? not heard of this before.
ay up deff how are you fella ? finally stated my v6 project aswell now.

[Mark T]

is that a spacer for the equal lengh shaft mount ? not heard of this before.
ay up deff how are you fella ? finally stated my v6 project aswell now.

This is what you need it for:

http://82.34.50.33/sytemsandsoftwaredevelopment/systems/automotive/How_to/Cavalier3/ReplaceF25WithF20.htm

[Defiance]

Hiya's,

App, Sent pm about conversion, But read your net access is limited

Gist was, Sold one lump and kept other one, The one i've kept has all wiring labelled etc (guy i got this lump off took the trouble n labelled it all and ran me through procedure of sorting my sigma also (he used to install them etc etc))
So hopefully we can cover each others 6 for the conversion ;)

As for spacer Mark has 3 left (at last count anyways lol)

Mark T's site is full of goodies so to speak (may try the final drive option for the F20)

I am just plodding along trying to sort a let setup for other car and this conversion too

On a tight budget but in a way this is helping me.................
Makes me have more time prepping etc rather than having everything to hand and skimping on areas needing time n elbow grease (so to speak)

One blessing is now the days are slowly turning warmer n light for longer i can usually grab a few hours in garages (no power so no light or tools grrrrr)

Anyways enough of my waffling

I'm ok
Hope your ok
And we may be able to help each other through the conversions

If you get chance check all Marks site is great for other goodies too

Well Take Care Guys

Ciao

Def

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
OK, Had a few probs on my valver (My only legal car, So she takes priority at the moment)

Back to conversion business

Prolly a daft Q ...................

Battery side at the loom plug, Wires for alt/starter etc come off the loom as normal, Now also on the bay-end of plug there is a relay wired in, Any idea what this is ?

It splits from batt main red perm power and goes bay-wards through some wires (offhand they are red-red and blue thin and a red-blue thick and black ones, This is off top of my head from a look earlier)
Now the 4 or 5 wires going from relay splice following other wiring through the passenger side of bulkhead are all black so i gotta be careful without knowing what the darn relay is for as i don't fancy messing with like 5 wires all the same colour doing something completely different lol

Just relay description be fine for now so i can read up

Ohh there are 2 immobs/alarms on it, Can't think of name but they are well cheap lol, Ahh scratch this line of thinking i remember it's a gm part # on real sheesh my memory

Sod it will try n post a closeup pic later as writings confusing me so will prolly throw you guys off too

Cheers

Ciao

Def

[Mark T]

Post a pic,

Can't think what relay you mean, or even which car you are talking about.

[Defiance]

Hiya,
OK here's a snap, Thinking about it is this realay to do with the wiper pumps ????

Anyways, If this ones no good i got another 3 that maybe better

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Ciao

Def

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Relay # reads GM # that is, As 9037865 which don't show on epc but, I threw this on epc without filter for the cabby details and it through up 90378651 !!!!
With 1 on end it's showing as "Relay, Fuel Injection / Fuel Pump Relay"

So now i think i can assume it's what it says on epc :)

I assume on the 8v it comes off perm power/ignition and then goes back rearwards of car down passenger side

Cheers

Ciao

Def

[appytiser]

def

are you after an f18 ?

ive got one out of a m reg cav sri 2.0 ecotec

£15 to you fella

[Defiance]

Hiya m8e,
If it's the F18w (wide ratio) i am desperate for one m8

If you can check it over n see if W is in the code it will be the swine i need

If it's the wide ratio one, Ok to sort a time day etc ??
PM me with a day/time and i will work around it ;)

Many Thanks M8 :)

Ciao

Def

[Mark T]

it's the Fuel pump relay, but you know that already.

that needs to stay on the loom when you sell the XE.

Your V6 loom will have it's own one



SRIs are F18CR

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Cheers Mark :)

Well i best get down garages n get somert done

Many Thanks

Ciao

Def

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Few last Q's as engine etc is going in .............

Lump had the AC on it, I have removed this and got a non ac bracket last year (think i got it cheap lol £14 + dreaded trade from dealer)

Now...........The ac bracket is of rounded type obviously to go over round ac unit, Now the non ac bracket is more of a triangular shape thus allowing a shorter non-ac belt to be fitted

Vx # 90495067 is new non ac bracket
Vx # 90425541 is old curved ac bracket

Am i right in thinking i remove the one idler and then with new non ac bracket attached i just make a bracket to fix front wing to new bracket as per normal V6 transplant using a F20 box ?

Hope this makes sense (need to source some metal early tomorrow)

Many Thanks

Ciao

Def

[Mark T]

If your car engine has an idler between PAS and AC pumps, then it's lasted well!

Vaux did away with that idler and used a shorter belt.

It's not needed.

[Defiance]

Hiya Mark,
Logically looking at the aux belt layout, With mine having an idler kinda inline with crank to pas, With that removed and ac left on then the shorter belt you mentioned would i guess fit with idler removed and ac left on (hope that makes sense) not that i will be putting ac into a cabby lol

Anyways, As always Many Thanks :)

Have Fun

Ciao

Def

ohh any idea what year vaux phased out that idler ?
I know engine had 80k on it or close to 80k anyways and it's off a M reg maybe N can't remember for certain

Ohh can't wait for daybreak now he he
Feels like christmas is coming early he he

[Mark T]

96 I think.

I've seen a CDX in the scrappy that still had the idler though.

[Defiance]

Hiya,
Well i am all sorted now :)

Wish i had a scrappy near where i could get a whiff of comparing decent engines lol

Nephews got some steel i can have from his works to fab a mount etc

Ahh well off to check your site Mark :D

Think i spied a diagram for after cooling for the v6

Cheers Again

Ciao

Def

[Defiance]

EDITED : No matter guys :)

Answered my own question (just went through emails until the reg threw up a already used email addy he he)

Ciao

Def

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Posting this here as it makes more sense (i guess)

After windose decided to yet again fubar on me i have got some pics etc back by searching etc etc

Now i used imageshack to store these pics

Now i lost the clicky link email from imageshack in crash

I have found a link on their site to request link but i have a problem

I have forgot which darn email i used for the account

Anyone know if the reply from imageshack is automated etc ??

I don't want to have to go through my email accounts trying to figure which one i used only to find the pictures on this conversion are taken offline by imageshack for thinking i am spamming or trying to gain access to someones elses addy

Hope this makes sense

PS: Once this problems sorted i can upload latest pics etc

(opened another account so eliminated one of my email addresses lol but don't fancy having to upload all images again using another account)

Ciao

Def

[whitegte]

hello there good luck with it do you loose alot of the handling with a v6 lump coz ive been toying with idea but i love the handling of it at the moment and dont wanna loose that

[Defiance]

Hiya,
Dunno about handling myself yet
But from other convertees they say it's ok

Still doing the bay (found left area of pas needs welding etc) and i am in the process of sealing/painting it ready for lump

Also meddling with let for valver transplant so shifting between projects ohh and got enough parts to make a spare stock xe for 1.4 i got he he

Ciao

Def

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
More delays pics below

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Ordered material from a local metal merchant
Below was a very quick drawing i did, The part is like an unequal angle 70mm x 130mm by length
As you look at the holed (for lightening) face that's the 130mm side the 70mm is the underside that goes to the area where bottom of the door sill will be spotted on

With some triangles for extra support :)

This will be stronger and i can tell you for sure better sealed against future corrosion :)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1069/223ua.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=223ua.jpg)

Hopefully material should be here tuesday/wednesday at the latest

This is turning into a major project not just a quick transplant and tidy up he he

Bear with me pics will be up as took etc with details

Ciao

Have Fun

Def

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
Problems problems lol

Valvers fubared on me so gotta sort this asap

The above cabby is getting gutted n scrapped

I bought a J reg cabby same colour with electric hood saturday :)

After waiting for weather/ok for drive usage etc etc it makes more sense to get bits off the knackered cabby and keep or sell em for spares

After my valver is fixed and then let'ed :) i will do the V6 transplant and ammend the posts so far in this section (maybe easier to open another topic n let this die me thinks)

Anyways the rust horror pics above are now not a worry as the new cabby needs just a tweak with the hood mechanism and a lump transplant :)

Cheers

Ciao

Post asap etc (my lucks gotta change for the better soon lol)

Def